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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, December 06, 2004 @ 15:42:13 MST
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You just paid $70 to play in a battle of the bands at alvin's.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by kgb on Thursday, January 06, 2005 @ 07:49:23 MST
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Apparently you have a problem with bands paying 70 bucks to get involved with Emergenza, meatwad, as I've also noticed you made a very similar comment in response to Ground Score's announcement. You obviously have never hosted an event of this magnitude if you think it is outrageous to shell out a mere $70. Do you think that the folks at Emergenza don't have any costs to cover? For instance, I'm certain that the staff members that will be present at each of the 17 cities in the U.S. are not there for free. And how about the advertising? Do you think that running numerous radio spots on a Top 10 station in a Top 10 market in the U.S. is cheap? I'm sure that since Paisley is in the advertising business, he can assure you that it is indeed anything but cheap. Far more than you pay for your personal ads in the Metro Times. Just a few more things for you, meathead: 1) each band that performs at Emergenza receives instrumental supplies more than equal to the entry fee; 2) if a band sells their tickets, they will be paid (probably more than you make in a week); and 3) if you want to call performing in front of record companies, communication executives, promoters, recruiters, and large crowds against thousands of bands in an international competition a "Battle of the Bands," so be it.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Thursday, January 06, 2005 @ 08:21:13 MST
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KGB, It is apparent that meatwad is not a fan of organized events such as Emergenza. For whatever reason that is I am uncertain. You make some good points as far as what they need to do to cover the costs, but your statement about how much he makes in a week is slightly over the top. You should not make the same mistake I made and jump to conclusions about meatwad. You never know who he is or what he does. He probably does this sort of thing for sport. After all, he did post the first comment and was the main reason there has been so many comments to the article. I'm sure that meatwad has some valuable advice and knowledge to share if you can get through the facade and if he will let you.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 @ 13:09:42 MST
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Are you really detroit's most innovative band? And do you think paying someone to be in a battle of the bands really warrants saying that you are on a journey to germany? Here's a secret, don't tell anyone. You can book a show at alvin's without paying. If anyone shows up, you will get paid. Imagine that.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by GT on Thursday, December 09, 2004 @ 02:38:48 MST
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Wow... I guess you guys aren't familiar with the Emergenza Festival. You're makin' this cat sound like an idiot, which actually, this is an opportunity to not only showcase their talents to huge crowds brought in by 8 different bands, but Detroit is only one of 122 locations in the world that this is going on. Prizes every show from sponsors like Music Man, Mapex, Crate, Ernie Ball and more, with possible "endorsement" opportunities. This is the first year in Detroit, and this is the 71st year of this event! There's no telling who's going to be in that audience, ie., agents, A&R cats, entertainment lawyers, managers, newspaper reporters, investors, venue owners, instrument manufacture reps, and new fans! Sometimes it's not a bad idea to kick out a little dough to have an opportunity to fulfill your dreams...

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by GroundScoreAdmin on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 @ 11:22:31 MST
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Finally someone puts this "MEATWAD" in his place. Well stated GT. Not only do you get prizes but all shows have to be played on sponsor provided equipment, which means you get an opportunity to play on some of the best stuff on the market today. What other gig do get to play on thousands of dollars worth of equipment right off the show room floor? Besides, just being signed up to play the festival has created more traffic to my website than a couple hundred dollar advertising campaign would. Oh but that’s right, you don't spend money, just cry if a venue or organization wants a small deposit to play. Well, sorry about your luck, maybe I'll drop by the garage one day to check you out.

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by GroundScoreAdmin on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 @ 11:26:11 MST
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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 @ 00:42:09 MST
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Do any of you mooks even know where Detroit is?

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 @ 08:19:02 MST
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Who do you think you are??? You don't even realize how stupid you are do you? You know if you put half the time into your music that you do into these idiotic messages you might actually get out of the garage someday.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by kgb on Thursday, January 06, 2005 @ 08:00:42 MST
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Unlike your buddy, Kid Rock (from Romeo), Catalog Only is based inside the city limits of Detroit proper.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 @ 15:32:11 MST
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Yea, when a band makes a claim like "the best" or misleading statements. I lean not to like them. It's good to be humble until you hit mainstreem, because it's mere opinion. A shot in the dark just to get someone to read, or check it out. Is lame and offensive to the intellegence of well versed musicans. If your really that innovated the music does all your advertising for you. If you want someone to hear you don't make slap happy comments about how great you are.People who check out your stuff on line are just plain surffers like myself. I check it out just to check it out, but it hurts the credability of the band if they overstate themselfs.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 @ 09:48:56 MST
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new and original: new and original or taking a new and original approach

This is the definition of innovative according to Microsoft Encarta. It states nothing about being the best or to their actual ability. I don't see how a catchy headline insults the intellegence of well versed musicians. It seems to me you are insulting their intellegence and are under the impression they are not well versed musicians. This is a classic example of a musician that cannot accept there is other good music out there other than their own band. I'm not sure how successful you've been in the industry, but it is my experience that no matter how much you want it to be true that your music does all the talking, it is simply not true. You have to give people a reason to check your stuff out. Some will like it, some will not. The fact of the matter is... you read the press release, commented on it and checked out the music. Sounds to me like my job was done effectively.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 09:06:16 MST
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"intellegence"

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by TommyD on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 17:46:29 MST
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"intellegence"

LMFAO

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 @ 23:39:39 MST
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I went to listen. Scale of 1 to 5 about a solid 2+. They might do something if they keep at it.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 @ 10:03:42 MST
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You're criticism is greatly appreciated. However, what are your credentials? How involved in the industry are you? Any comments and criticisms are welcomed and taken to heart. The Catalog Only team feels there is much to learn from other musicians and industry people as long as they keep an open mind and make valid points. You have already tipped your hand by saying "Yea, when a band makes a claim like "the best" or misleading statements. I lean not to like them". In regards to "It's good to be humble until you hit mainstreem, because it's mere opinion". You simply don't know these people because if you did, you would know this is a very humble band and their music reflects that. No matter if you're mainstream or not, it's still just an opinion. Who's opinion are you talking about? The industry's or the band's? It is good and necessary for a band to form an opinion of themselves so they know how to carry and promote themselves. If a band doesn't understand who and what they are, how are they to make anyone else aware of who and what they are?

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Sunday, January 02, 2005 @ 23:47:29 MST
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It's about the opinions in general. No matter who I didn't mean to be so tuff.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 09:07:18 MST
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You need credentials to be a music listener? What a fucking asshole. You really need to quit posting. Or hire Linus. He only charges $5 per post.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 10:25:48 MST
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I think we all know who the real asshole is here, meatwad...

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 16:02:53 MST
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Hi, asshole.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 15:02:52 MST
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you're so funny you crack me up. I think along your line a bit. I think sometime when things get typed the inflection gets lost in the wash of reading it. I don't think here is a harsh need to be so verbal as to lose a conection with a marginal, but band with good potencial. I think he was trying to inquire about mine.I could feel that, and some people tend to get mad quick. My goal is to inspire. I give free guitar lessons because I love music. It affords me the opertunity to learn more than just the music. I bet your a nice person. I might not lay my pay check on it. lol but I'm sure you are.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by Mitch on Sunday, January 02, 2005 @ 08:29:27 MST
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I think this is just an example of what a drag it can be to produce an effective press release - especially for a site whose traffic is primarily other musicians. You're a tough bunch.

The tendency is to play it up, up, up and heap on the self-aggrandizement. But the effect ends up sounding amateur and insincere - which their music is not (btw- I like the introductory paragraph on their website and the track "luminous" - both of which sound sincere).

For example, I wouldn't have used the phrase "devotion to creating unique material" in the same paragraph where I listed my various influences - it's a contradiction. Phrases & clauses like "thrilled crowds" and "powerful and innovative" are best left to review quotes that are attributed to specific persons.

It's very difficult to write something that makes people genuinely curious about your music - curious enough to get off their asses and drive down to Alvins. These days you almost have to promise, "Our bass player will pull a flaming drumstick out of his ass, LIVE!" to get anybody's attention for more than thirty seconds (thank you Fear Factor).

But then again, they DID get over 300 hits on their story. Maybe they knew exactly what they were doing to get attentioin on MB. ; )

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Sunday, January 02, 2005 @ 14:22:12 MST
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Thank you for the constructive criticism. I always knew musicians were tough critics but I guess I had hoped the majority of people who responded would have been a little more supportive. Thanks again, and btw, our bass player does pull flaming drumsticks out of his ass!!!

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by Mitch on Sunday, January 02, 2005 @ 18:18:02 MST
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LOL - Now that I've got to see. ; )

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Sunday, January 02, 2005 @ 23:34:39 MST
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WOW, true and well said.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 09:09:40 MST
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250 were from the band, the rest were from the 3 people responding to their self rimming.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 10:32:11 MST
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I'm done wasting my energy and time on an ignorant asshole like you, meatwad. Why don't you get off of mommy's computer and stop wasting her money. It's time you grow up and move out of the parent's house. You can't be afraid of the real world forever.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 16:03:44 MST
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It must hurt to wake up and see you in the mirror.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 @ 09:03:22 MST
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You have a mullet don't you? You've probably had one since '86. You just can't seem to part with it either, can you?

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Friday, January 07, 2005 @ 14:47:09 MST
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For your own sake, don't post in public.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 00:24:39 MST
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I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to overstate myself. Like some headlines do, but your right. I wish you all the best of luck. I'm glad to see a group like your on the seen. I do advertisements, and when I first started on the job I was instructed not to judge my own product before others do. Hey, I learn from this myself, and I like what some have said here. Instead of the idea of "site hits" think of them 'chart hits'. You guys could do it... Hell, type in something absolutle crazy that you could do on stage. Maybe not the drumstick thing, but get 'em talkin about you to there buddys, and again I apologize.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by DoctorWu on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 09:22:14 MST
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Luna's Lovechild used to be egomaniacs like these "innovative" young men.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 10:50:12 MST
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Catalog Only is anything but egomaniacs! If you would take the time to LISTEN to the songs you will see that. The word innovative means nothing other than new and original. It is correct that we are new and EVERY musician feels their music is original, right? You guys obviously don't like to get your music out there! Everybody has a different approach to music. Why must confidence must be mistaken for egotism? I devote a lot of time and a lot of energy to the band and I want to make a career out of it. I don't see the problem in that. In order for me to do so I need Catalog Only to get recognized and backed financially. If that's not for you than it's not for you. If any of you have better ideas on how to go about it then I'm all ears but if you know nothing about this sort of thing then please don't waste my time. It's always been my philosophy that the real egomaniacs are the ones who seek out bands to knock for petty reasons.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 14:41:41 MST
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I wasn't knocknig your band. Just the headline. I made the judgement before I heard the product. YES I am impressed.I'm in the advertizing biz. I didn't seperate the two in this case, I am so sorry. PLEASE forgive me. It was stupid of me to do so.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by TommyD on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 17:54:13 MST
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I think 'Most' is the problem that....um....'most' of the people had a problem with, not innovative.

As long as there are so many hits to this....I'll just ride off of your popularity coattails....

The Kingsnakes Website...click here

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 @ 08:57:57 MST
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I agree the word "most" can be taken as arrogant, but I assure you that was not our intention. I am open to suggestions on a headline that seperates us from all other local bands and makes someone want to check us out further. I consider it an honor for someone to ride on the coattails.... if only we had some...

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 11:10:22 MST
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I also apologize. I flew off the handle rather quickly. I agree it is extremely hard to judge your own project and sometimes your intentions get misconstrued, but how else do you spark the interest of people who will say these things for you? Seriously, if you have ideas or suggestions we are all ears. You obviously have experience in this field. You should come see us live you might see us in a different light. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 15:16:28 MST
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I think I will.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 15:38:55 MST
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where and when for the next gig? I am click happy on the mouse, but I don't see anything. I also hope it's not to far from Auburn hills. I know "meatwad" had his words outside of the drama 1 through 5 what does he think of the music itself? 1 through 5 will do. terrable words will not serve well (i.e. personal attacks) This is my final input on the article.Thank you for the insite. It's been great.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 16:06:10 MST
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The music has nothing to do with the comments made here, but since you want to know, I would give the music about a 1 out of 5. I know, I'm a softy.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by thundermoon on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 @ 09:09:44 MST
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Like anybody really thinks you kept an open mind. Seriously, meatwad, direct me towards your music. I would love to check it out and I WILL keep an open mind. I don't "get off" by cutting down other musicians. I believe you may have intelligent things to say and could possibly offer up good advice. If you can put aside the bullshit, that is.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by meatwad on Friday, January 07, 2005 @ 14:49:43 MST
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The only one here with a problem is you. Everyone else here is speaking without prejudice. You are attacking people because they called you out on your arrogance. Then you asked for reviews of your music and you were given honest answers. If I thought your music was better than 1 out of 5, I would have told you so.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by kgb on Friday, January 07, 2005 @ 16:25:28 MST
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Actually meatwad, I believe thundermoon is only "attacking" you. As for your review of their music, to each their own. I don't believe there will ever be a band that will please everyone. On the other hand, even if you were not fond of the music you found online, you might hold a different opinion if you took a chance and saw them play live. You will not hear anything you've ever heard. As you apparently already know, they are playing tomorrow at Alvin's. You should check them out. If you still do not like what you hear, at least it will only be 25 minutes of torture for you. But I'm also sure that at least one of the other 7 bands that are playing will be more your style.

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Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 15:43:06 MST
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my final/ just saw it i'm sorry. I can be as foolish as my quickest comment I just saw the date JAN. 8th.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 16:04:56 MST
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Where is Alvins? would be my next question.

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by PAISLEY on Monday, January 03, 2005 @ 16:11:23 MST
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I found it. check ya!

Re: Join Detroit's Most Innovative Band On Their Jouney to Germany (Score: 1)
by kgb on Thursday, January 06, 2005 @ 12:25:36 MST
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If anyone is interested in reading an unbiased review of Catalog Only:
http://www.midwestbands.com/review_page.php?id=200